Hi All - Sorry in advance for the stupid questions | Thinking of buying a Zero! | GBS Owners Club
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Hi All - Sorry in advance for the stupid questions
May 24, 2016
9:59 am
Avatar
mas123mas
North Yorkshire
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
May 22, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Looking at purchasing a GBS Zero GT in the next few weeks.

A couple questions to help me choose which way to go :-
1. Thinking of a Mazda MX5 MK1 or 2 donor with a 1.8 engine
2. Can I register as a new car (new plate) or do I have to use the donor cars plate.
3. How much is a IVA (and how difficult is it to get a Zero through)
4. How long is an average build
5. Anyone in the Northallerton / Teesside area build one at the moment or built one

Sorry more will follow, Mike

May 24, 2016
12:46 pm
Avatar
Simon
GBS Technical
Admin
Forum Posts: 2139
Member Since:
August 9, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

2-New plate requires all new parts, OR only one reconditioned major unit. You will not be able to use the donor registration. If you can prove the age of the major components, log book showing engine number for example, you will get age related, If you can't prove the age it will be Q reg

3-At last enquiry £450

4-That is very much to do with the amount of time you have available to build. I often see early Zero kits 2009/10 just finished for IVA, and I have IVA'd cars less than six months old.

5-have a look at the map function, although from a recent topic it may not have every builder shown

May 24, 2016
4:57 pm
Avatar
Foxtrottransit
South Petherton Yeovil
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 196
Member Since:
August 14, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I built a ford based zero in a year along side a full time job and a family. That said I don't sleep much so was able to do a lot of late hours. I found the zero fairly straightforward to build once I'd stopped over thinking the job at hand. I have a habit of making things more difficult than they actually are. By building a ford based zero I was able to use new parts and a recon gearbox and get a new plate.
Best of luck with your build you won't be disappointed.

May 25, 2016
12:31 am
Avatar
mas123mas
North Yorkshire
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
May 22, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for the replies "GBS Techical" and "Foxtrottransit".

In that case with regards Q.2. I may go the Ford route, is there much in the cost difference between the two (Ford or Mazda, apart the kit difference).

Can you recommend suppliers for new crate Ford or Mazda engines.

I have seen quite a few with Zetec engines, do Duratec also fit?

Is there a list of parts that are need in addition to the kit?

Mike

May 25, 2016
6:48 am
Avatar
WallerZero
Coventry
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 85
Member Since:
May 11, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

There isn't much difference between the 2 kits, literally a mounting difference to suit both engines. I've seen a fair few Zetec buiilds and built a Mazda based kit myself.

GBS supply "new" crate Zetecs (Think they are old stock circa 2005? but new and unused). New MX5 engines, I don't believe there is anything. Unfortunately I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Simon) but I think you can only refurbish 1 major item i.e. engine, transmission and the rest is new for a brand new registration - people buy a new engine then list the transmission as refurbished as that then covers the gearbox, prop, diff, driveshafts to be refurbished.

So, going for a new registration, I'd go Zetec, if you are on a tighter budget, go Mazda MX5.
Just to explain my opinion further: Zetec will require an ECU, the GBS plenum or throttle bodies, gearbox refurb, new engine cost, basically you can buy all the bits individually and thats that. Plus new reg means tighter emissions regulations.
Mazda route, if you wish you can, like me, use as much as possible from a donor vehicle. Spend £1000 on a runner with MOT or <£500 on a MOT failure for rust. Eitherway you can strip the bits you need, lick of paint here and there or refurb on more critical items i.e. brake calipers, and sell all the bits you don't need (Body panels, interior, subframes etc etc). This means you can break even on the donor (yay free running gear!) and everything will drop in and work (or should) straight out the box and should work out cheaper 🙂

Look on the GBS website, they now offer a full kit too so that should have a comprehensive list of everything you need.

Mazda Zero 2.5L KLDE V6
Registered: March 2014.
Build Blog: http://zachsgbszero.blogspot.co.uk/

May 25, 2016
7:10 am
Avatar
Simon
GBS Technical
Admin
Forum Posts: 2139
Member Since:
August 9, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think Zack has it spot on you need to look at all options.

Perhaps a visit to the open day on the 4th June, yu can have words with both GBS and customers, usually a few cars there too.

I would just add a point about emmision requirements. All engines MUST meet the current emmision target, UNLESS it can be shown that the engine was built pre April 1995.

That proof can be documentation such as log book, but the engine numbers MUST match, or a letter from the manufacturer to prove its age, although Ford and some others have year codes built into the engine number which helps. But no proof and you are aiming high,I have tested Pintos with bike cards, because the number has corroded off, vanished or worse painted over and can not easily be retrieved at test. Yes it is possible, but "tricky"

May 25, 2016
12:02 pm
Avatar
nelmo
Surrey
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 560
Member Since:
May 6, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Just to throw my tuppence in - there is, I think, a big difference in cost between Ford and Mazda options.

The crated Ford engine costs almost £1k, the plenum is £200 (you need this) and the Emerald ECU is £700 (you need an ECU and I could only find one brand any cheaper but it's not common and tricky to setup). So that's almost £2k just for the engine, then £800 for the gearbox, £100s for hubs, driveshafts, diff etc, etc.

You can get a Mazda donor for less than a grand (although it will be ancient and huge mileage) and once you've stripped the bits you want and sold the remainder, you may break even.

My Ford build is looking to top out at £15k (all new stuff where I could but no fancy options) - I would imagine you could do a Mazda option for £3k - £5k less than that? Maybe not - can one of the Mazda builders tell us how much they spent, if that is not too personal a question?

BTW, I'm not complaining about the cost - doing the build is the most fun thing you can do with clothes on (and maybe even off) Laugh

May 25, 2016
3:42 pm
Avatar
Foxtrottransit
South Petherton Yeovil
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 196
Member Since:
August 14, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think it should be possible to go down the duratec but that would be very expensive. The cost of a new duratec engine is three times as much as a zetec and in a perfect world you would want to try and get hold of a bell housing from a transit petrol as this is duratec front mount and mt75 gearbox fitting. If money is no object then go for the duratec that cosworth build that kicks out approximately 300bhp. You'll never want for more.

May 25, 2016
3:45 pm
Avatar
Chappie
Woking, Surrey
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 55
Member Since:
October 14, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

nelmo said
My Ford build is looking to top out at £15k (all new stuff where I could but no fancy options) - I would imagine you could do a Mazda option for £3k - £5k less than that? Maybe not - can one of the Mazda builders tell us how much they spent, if that is not too personal a question? Laugh  

It completely depends on what you want to achieve. I think a bells-and-whistles Mazda build using only the engine, gearbox, diff and driveshafts from the donor (and buying an Emerald ECU, throttle bodies, nice dials, ATR suspension etc. or equivalents) will come in somewhere in the region of £14k - £15k.

May 25, 2016
7:54 pm
Avatar
Mitch
Gloucester
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 367
Member Since:
April 18, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well my 2pence worth - I was also looking at the Mazda route to keep costs down but would only get the donor plate or a Q. Didn't really matter to but have changed my mind and and now well into a ford build. The main reason I changed my mind was that Wayne (GBS salesman) pointed out that with a Mazda I may finish it and the engine may go after a few thousand miles as its second hand. However with the ford it will be new so should be sound for many years to come. Bit more expensive on the ford route but I'm buying in small packs as and when I need parts. I've been going nearly 8 months and this weekend should have everything from the roll bar backwards finished. (Along with a few other bits forward of that)

May 25, 2016
9:17 pm
Avatar
michaelhopps
Cannock
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 172
Member Since:
August 4, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am building l Mazda kit and with all the parts from GBS will expect to spend 15k.I had my Mazda engine checked and reconditioned at cost of £650.00 these engines go on to do 200k easy ( lots of mk 1 still on road with mega miles treasured and going strong) Yes my Zero will not be worth 15 k when built but I view it as a hobby ,friends I know spend easy 5k a year playing Golf . I prefer creating a car.
The reason I went the Mazda route was 2 fold I liked the idea of re using bits from a scrap car and enjoyed taking it apart and restoring the parts I needed and selling the ones I didn't.
I can see the attraction of the Zetec with a brand new reg and next time I will go that route but I could not afford it when I started out. I don't think I could have sold that to the wife at the time ! I said I will be reusing cheap Mazda bits and will cost 10k max !
Do what you fancy doing be realistic about what your budget is remember you will need extra tools and odd bolts etc that can mount up

May 25, 2016
10:31 pm
Avatar
Foxtrottransit
South Petherton Yeovil
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 196
Member Since:
August 14, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

If you shop around carefully you can pick up a brand new zetec for about £750 but at that price they are few and far between.

May 26, 2016
6:54 am
Avatar
nelmo
Surrey
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 560
Member Since:
May 6, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Foxtrottransit said
If you shop around carefully you can pick up a brand new zetec for about £750 but at that price they are few and far between.  

Yeah, careful with that - I saw those adverts and they didn't include VAT. Add that and it's back to £1k.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 96

Currently Online:
7 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming None

Top Posters:

nelmo: 560

Mitch: 367

TOPCATNO6: 336

NickMilbourn: 299

RichardL: 206

Graterham: 202

Foxtrottransit: 196

Marlin: 173

michaelhopps: 172

2ofus: 169

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 2

Members: 4865

Moderators: 0

Admins: 4

Forum Stats:

Groups: 2

Forums: 17

Topics: 1390

Posts: 8423

Newest Members:

sophiavy1, JamesTox, marshallyu16, vondatq16, mariettaaf1, Craigdeeby, Taksi154r, bertinRoTus, kubityha, Wright CNC

Administrators: dijitul: 2, MidsZero: 314, Simon: 2139, Ruth Hall: 10