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A few questions...
April 27, 2015
6:24 pm
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Mitch
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Good evening, I am not far off buying my first kit car and the zero is the front runner at the moment. Ive just got a few questions if you could help it would be appreciated.

1. Is there any form of build manual and if so, what level of detail is it? Ive seen the westfield build manual and its very good so just wondering how it compares?

2. Are the indicators part of the steering column like on a mass produced car? Other kit cars I've seen seem to be a switch on the dash but photos I've seen of the zero seem to have a regular steering column with stalks integrated.

3. does the wet weather gear come with the full kit and does it allow you to drive in the rain?

4. I can't find any info on the bonnet. I don't know what its made of, if its pre-moulded, its materials etc etc. Any light that could be shed on this would be appreciated.

Finally, anyone in south west wales that would like to be my "build friend"?

Thanks in advance

April 27, 2015
8:59 pm
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good evening and welcome to the forum.

you may note that I am part of the GBS team, I deal with the technical questions and IVA, so not sales or kit spares, but if you have queries the at they deal with, I can pass them on.

Question 1, and probably the biggest bone of contention, I'm sure owners will make comment here Smile

There is not a manual in the strict scene of the word, there is an order of build split down into operations, the majority of operations have more detailed crib sheets, photos and explanations available, mostly online. builders that have gone before have allowed us to use their build blogs, and there is support either here and by phone.

why no manual? mainly because the car has developed so fast it would be out of date before it got to print, it also takes time, and money to produce a Westfield look alike, that must go on the price of the kit.

Truth is, there is an internal manual, pages of which are posted on here when they are needed, however they will relate to a particular topic and version of a car, so always make sure they relate to the version you are considering.

Question 2, a builders choice, you can use the switches from the donor, or you can use remote switches. what ever you choose just make sure they comply to the IVA requirements. You can download the IVA manual, but it is a very boring read, or you can seek advice from me.

Question 3, Wet weather gear is an option, and can be added at any time, or in stages. but it is always good to plan in advance. for example if you are going for a roof, it is better to fit the roof bars before fitting a boot cover, saves having to buy two boot covers, or having the roof bars on show when the roof is off.

You can drive with the roof up, but there is a technique for entering and leaving the car Smile

Question 4, same as the car, alloy or stainless steel. but can be raped, painted etc to suit.

last question, I'm sure there will be someone, if not building, already completed.

April 28, 2015
3:39 pm
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Hi Mitch,

Firstly welcome to the forum. I'm a couple of months in to a Mazda Gt Zero build so thought I'd throw some thoughts in!

Q1 - I was worried about the lack of build manual myself having looked at Westfield too. Their manual is great, but having read several build blogs on the Zero I decided they're actually not massively complicated, and the information in blogs and forum help would be enough to back up common sense! So far all has been fine, the couple of issues I've had have been overcome simply enough.

Q2 - You would normally use either a Ford Sierra or Mazda MX5 steering column depending on your choice of donor car, I really wasn't keen on the Westfield dash mounted little toggle switch, dangerous and distracting in my opinion.

I recommend a factory visit, meet the people and most importantly go out for a drive!

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April 28, 2015
6:16 pm
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Where has my post gone??? I did answer mitch questions yesterday but it seems gbs didn't like my post and deleted it. Which I don't know why but nice to know freedom of speech is alive and well!!! I didn't say anything bad so why delete post. I'm not far away from you Mitch in south Wales

April 29, 2015
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welsh zero said

Where has my post gone??? I did answer mitch questions yesterday but it seems gbs didn't like my post and deleted it. Which I don't know why but nice to know freedom of speech is alive and well!!! I didn't say anything bad so why delete post. I'm not far away from you Mitch in south Wales

I can understand your concern but I would have to say that your post has not been removed or deleted, at least not by admin.

Press members at the top of the page.

Admin's are the only ones with deletion rights.

the top one is the people who run the web site for GBS
next is GBS office, aka Ruth
third is a customer
the last is me

except for me, who is obviously on site now, you can see when they were last logged on before mitch made his post.

I have taken a screen shoot as of now, that shows my previous log on when I made my previous post to mitch

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11598108/Member_List_-_GBS_Owners_Club.pdf

I do not know where your post went, but no admin could have deleted your post between 9:23 pm on the 27th, when I logged out, and your post at 6:16 on the 28th

a couple of posts have vanished on me, so possible a glitch in the system, I don't know.

Perhaps you could repost your reply, you do say it was nothing bad, so why would it be necessary to delete, to be honest the accusation that we are censoring our customers is probably more damaging.

April 29, 2015
8:00 pm
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Mitch
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Hi all and thank you for your replies. From what I've read and seen I agree that it doesn't look a complicated build but would like that reassurance of a manual. Although I think with the GBS customer services line, Blogs, the internet and you guys, I should be ok.

I also don't like the toggle switch arrangement on the dash on other kit cars and was hopeful that the zero was different after seeing different photos and I'm glad thats the case, I think I will be going for the Mazda zero build but this weekend should make all my final decisions. Birthday is the end of July and the wife has pretty much promised me the starter kit (or whatever I can arrange with GBS this weekend) as my present. TOP BIRD ;-)

Welsh Zero, thanks for your reply, if you could repost your comments it would be appreciated as I'm intrigued as to what you said and your experiences of the build.

April 30, 2015
6:59 am
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Hello,
I wouldn't worry about a build manual, if you know what a spanner does, then your half way there.( For example.... rear hub assembly come in a bag with "rear hub" written on it, there is a hub with 4 holes in it, and 4 nuts and bolts.) I was a bit worried myself, but after picking up the kit and spending day one just looking through all the boxes it was pretty obvious where everything went. Having not worked on a car for over 25 years there where a few things I needed a refresher on, such as how to bleed brakes properly... easy video on you tube !

I found the Zero to be a "man's" build, not just a plastic tub bolted to a frame which has had a lot of work done for you already ? the satisfaction of "I built that" for me was quite overwhelming when it passed IVA and got the number plates on. Took 51 weeks and 300 hrs, that's only about 8 hrs a week.

Its been on the track with the GBS track day... brill, its been on the factory "run outs" twice.. good fun, in fact the social side is a growing community which is friendly and helpful.

As for blogs.... they are fantastic, so many photos, and tips.
Would recommend the following...

http://paul94-gbs-zero-build.b.....pot.co.uk/

http://richards-gbs-zero.blogspot.co.uk/

plus many more...

and of course mine...

http://albenwood.blogspot.co.u.....wales.html Although mine is more of a diary than a build manual, but lots of builders have found the photos help ?Wink

Have fun.

May 1, 2015
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Thats great, thanks Bill

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