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Wiring Diagram - Question for Simon
October 19, 2015
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Hi Simon,
Can you confirm if this is the Zero wiring diagram please?
If so, do you have a clearer version of this, as this one is hard to read.
Many thanks again
Andrew
http://loudounzero.blogspot.co.....agram.html

October 19, 2015
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It doesn't look like one.

defiantly not a P&P loom, and doesn't have the eight bank fuse board of the early loom, so my guess is it's either another after market loom or home build.

can you give me any detail of what you have, if we can identify your loom I will probably be able to help

October 20, 2015
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I have a GBS loom, got it around 4 years ago with the kit.....it doesn't have the ID labels on it like some I have seen (including at GBS a week or so back)....if I could get hold of a diagram which reflects the loom I have, I'd be in business.
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October 20, 2015
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Early Zero then. NOT P&P which is what you have been with the labels. It made my life far easier.

I have never found a diagram as such, but I have identified a number of versions of the loom which I have made into a spread sheet.

It covers the various spurs coming out of the loom, the colours, the function and where it goes to the loom.

If it doesn't give you all you need, you should be able to work out what it is missing.

One of the conditions of sending it out is that you provide feed back, Its the only way I am able to add to the info.

I can't find my file at eh moment, its late, I will sort it asap and post

October 21, 2015
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Update

haven't forgotten, found the file, will tidy it a bit before posting. It was never designed for public consumption, just internal use, so needs a little work.

will post when done.

October 22, 2015
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Hi Simon,
This is much appreciated, any guidance is better than what I have at present.
Also, can you expand on what P&P is.....sorry if I'm being dim, it's late.... Smile
Thanks again
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October 22, 2015
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Shortly after starting at GBS a director asked why I was spending a lot of time on the phone talking to customers. It was not because I am sociable, although I'm told I can talk for England, if talking had a world cup. would agree I could probably do better than we can a rugby Cry

The majority of questions related to wiring, and the build of two parts of the kit.

So design changes were made to make the build easier, and the Plug and Play (P&P)loom was introduced.

Result, far fewer phone calls.

The P&P is a main loom, with all the various spurs labeled and where possible terminated in the appropriate plug. to allow flexibility there are "sub looms" that provide dash, switch and engine connection, but the aim is that they plug into the main loom and work.

There is some builder thought required to connect some units, but there is information supplied to complete connections as well as make sub looms as required for different applications.

All factory builds used this loom. from at least 3 a day, queries are less than a couple a month.

October 23, 2015
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Ha, I see.... Laugh

OK, thanks Simon. So could my loom be P&P'd somehow......

Cheers
A

October 24, 2015
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I think no, Info should be with you over weekend, If it looks wrong, come back to me and we will have a rethink, there are a number of Seven type looms out there

November 3, 2015
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Hi Simon, have you had any joy with the wiring diagram....?
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Andrew

November 4, 2015
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sorry, thought I had posted, but clearly not.

bit laid up at present, but here it is.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11598108/ford%20Switch%20wiring%20wip.pdf

check the spurs against the loom detail. one or two differences is explained in note section, any more and we are back identifying the loom.

NOTE

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLUG AND PLAY LOOM,

although P&P owners may be interested, if only to see the extra money of the P&P is well worth it Smile

November 5, 2015
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Brilliant Simon, much appreciated. Thankyou
I shall study and see how I go..... :-)
Cheers
Andrew
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January 24, 2016
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Hi Simon,
Eventually, here comes the feedback.
I printed your sheet out and started to label the loom up.
Most of the idents were exactly per your sheet, with the following exceptions.

On the Column Switches, I have the Version TWO type.
All seems in order here, except:
* R/H light switch Ford ID 133. PIN 55. Empty. No pin exists on my switches.
* R/H top of switch Ford ID 133/165. PIN 31. Brown. No pin exists on my switches.
* RH wiper switch Ford ID 165. PIN 53a. Black Violet. No pin exists on my switches.
Does any of the above matter....? If yes, what are the alternatives?

On the actual loom all matches except the following:
* NSR light unit. Stop light. Brown Black. There is no brown black cable, I have all other cables present at this location but have a spare black cable. Spare earth?
* Wiper Motor. 2 Custom to Wiper Switch. B1. No cable present.
* Fog Light Switch. Custom connect to light switch. 56. Presume I connect this myself....to where on the light switch?
* Fog Light Switch. Custom fog warning light. No cable present, which cable would I connect to the warning light?
* Fuel sender. Green cable is grey on my loom.
* Column switches. Wiper switch. B1 Custom to wiper motor. Cable is green / yellow on my loom.
* Column switches. Brown (thick) to Fuse Box. No cable present.
* Dash gauges. Speedometer. Orange Black. Speed sender. No cable present.
* Dash gauges. Fuel gauge. Green. to Fuel sender. Cable is grey on my loom.
* Dash gauges. Ignition live. White (thin). to Fuse Board. No cable present.
Overall on the Dash Gauges part of the loom, there are the following unidentified cables:
- green / red.
- green / black.
- 2 brown.
* Speedometer Sender. Orange Black to Dash. I have two brown cables. What is the 'Dash' one?
There are also two lots of spare cables:
* near NSF H'Light - 2 green / black, 1 black.
* near coil cable - 2 green / red, 1 black.

That's it for now, not really far away and hopefully you can make sense of the above. Smile

Appreciate the help Simon.

Regards

Andrew

January 24, 2016
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switches

pin 55 and pin 53 are not used anyway
pin 31 is the the left spade on the top of the right switch

loom

*Black is earth on the early loom
*custom means you add your own wire, the B1 connection is to get it to work like a lucas switch.
*fog light, loom is wired to operate fog with side lights, this is NOT IVA. Terminal 56 is on both the right and left switch gear connected by a brown/black wire, splice the custom wire into this, do NOT cut it
*custom wire from switch output to fog light to warning light.
*colour changes are a problem, I know there was at least three outside manufacturers and a number of people building them in house.
*same thing as above, maybe added the B1 wire into the loom when they changed from Ford to Lucas wiper motor
*Brown are ALL constant live, I could never see the reason for the thick brown anyway, my just have one brown or two thins.
*speed sender will depend on gauge type, some use two wires some three, should be comming out of the loom near the handbrake cable, sender is mounted above diff, usually something there.
*same as at tank end
* the two green/? are probably left and right indicator warning lights, Brown is constant live, not sure why you have them, would want the dash to go dead with ignition off. Possibility you do not have early Zero loom, possibly another supplier, but clearly very close. Test to see is the dash browns are in fact ignition live.
*you may have to run speedo cables
*the two green/? are for the side repeaters, the blacks are there earths. Repeaters MUST be on wings not side of the car.

January 25, 2016
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Great thanks Simon, will go and check these and report back.
One other question, is there meant to be a brake light switch in the vicinity of the pedal?
Thanks
A

January 25, 2016
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no

at the rear pipe connector, its hydraulic.

January 27, 2016
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OK thanks again.

March 30, 2016
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Morning Simon, thanks for the help on this. I have a couple of further questions.

On the Column Switches, didn't see an answer on these two:
* RH wiper switch Ford ID 165. PIN 53a. Black Violet. No pin exists on my switches.
* Dash gauges. Ignition live. White (thin). to Fuse Board. No cable present.

To further clarify on this Loom question:
* near coil cable - 2 green / red, 1 black. I presume these are mis-located near the washer bottle area due to the loom config? I can lengthen to reach the indicator repeaters no probs if this is the case.

Additional Loom questions:
* I have 3 wires at the brake light hydraulic switch. 1 brown which goes to the brake light and 2 whites. 1 off white goes to the fuse box, can you advise on the other white one.
* Should there be wires to connect the radiator fan to something, presume the water temp switch?

Also:
* Do Kit Spares supply the mounting bracket for the relay holder and fuse box?
* When using the speedo sensor....
http://www.kitspares.co.uk/ind.....038;car=43
....do you need some kind of pick up on the diff flange?

Thanks again Simon.
Cheers
Andrew

March 30, 2016
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One other quick question:

* Can I use cable tie mounts with cable ties (incl figure of 8 ties) to hold the brake pipes, loom and fuel pipes (or a combination there-of)? Would this solution be IVA compliant? The thinking being that this would be future proof for fiddling, without having to drill out p-clips etc....

http://www.carbuildersolutions.....mini-25pcs
http://www.carbuildersolutions.....ack-of-100

Thanks
Andrew

March 30, 2016
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The important one is the brake pipe.

we do use the saddles, and on the rare occasion we use them to secure brake pipes we have not had an issue, however we normally secure brake pipes with P clips and then secure loom and fuel pipes from that, making sure the cable ties are close to the P clips.

not used the second one, but see no reason why it wouldn't comply depends what you are fastening with them.

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